[16:00] <stickster> People are starting to filter in
[16:00] Topic changed on #fedora-board by mspevack!i=mspevack@fedora/mspevack: Board meeting is now
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[16:02] <mspevack> everyone is still getting on the phone
[16:02] <mspevack> roll call
[16:02] <mspevack> Paul
[16:02] <mspevack> Jeremy
[16:02] <mspevack> Max
[16:02] <mspevack> Rex
[16:02] <mspevack> Seth
[16:03] <mspevack> Karsten
[16:04] <mspevack> Rahul
[16:04] <mspevack> Chris
[16:04] <mspevack> Matt
[16:04] <mspevack> Bill
[16:04] <mspevack> Greg
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[16:05] <mspevack> that's everyone!
[16:05] <mspevack> we turn the floor over to Karsten Wade, as today's topic is all Fedora Docs Project
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[16:05] <mspevack> Agenda was posted to Fedora Advisory Board list
[16:06] <mspevack> (1) successes of fedora docs in the past year or so
[16:06] <mspevack> (2) future plans
[16:06] <mspevack> (3) roadblocks, and how we can resolve them
[16:06] <mspevack> so, starting with successs
[16:06] <mspevack> karsten "we've produced the best in breed release notes"
[16:07] <mspevack> "quality of content, and good docs can be achieved by modularizing release notes, our content creation process is a good one"
[16:07] <mspevack> karsten -- also had good luck in growing the contributor base.  the awesome splash page in FC6 has really helped
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[16:26] <mspevack_> blizzard -- how do we "celebrate" the work that docs is doing
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[16:26] <mspevack_> karsten -- in terms of reporting out the successes, it's about the same amount as several other Fedora projects, which depends on what sort of stuff Thomas Chung sees in Fedora news, etc.
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[16:27] <mspevack_> ACTION ITEM -- karsten and max need to talk to mark webbink as soon as possible
[16:27] <mspevack_> bill -- will we have the resources in order to be "wiki police"
[16:27] <mspevack_> greg -- that's a good problem to have
[16:27] <mspevack_> seth -- ?!?
[16:28] <mspevack_> blizzard -- it's a success condition
[16:28] <mspevack_> greg -- people don't mess with stuff that isn't relevant
[16:28] <mspevack_> seth disagrees
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[16:29] <mspevack> max -- there's already a core number of people who watch the RecentChanges page
[16:29] <mspevack> karsten -- people need to have a responsibility to QA the pages their groups own
[16:29] <mspevack> seth -- does anyone actually read all the changes?
[16:30] <mspevack> rahul -- I do
[16:30] <mspevack> Fedora Board applauds Rahul
[16:30] <mspevack> he gets "Fedrora Contributor of the Day" award
[16:30] <mspevack> greg -- watching RecentChanges is basically how you can stay informed as to what is going on
[16:31] <mspevack> you can get a list, per username, of who is watching stuff
[16:31] <mspevack> you can easily subscribe to watch namespaces via regex in your user profile
[16:32] <mspevack> part of the "what a project needs to do" rules involve taking ownership and QA control over your namespace in the wiki
[16:33] <mspevack> blizzard -- if we make changes to CLA process, we should find a way to measure contribution frequency, etc before so that we can compare it to the "after"
[16:33] <mspevack> that's something that shouldn't be too hard for skvidal or mmcgrath to make happen
[16:34] <mspevack> ACTION ITEMS
[16:34] <mspevack> (1) subset of max, greg, karsten will talk to mark webbink
[16:34] <mspevack> (2) reiterate to projects the need to watch their wikispace -- max
[16:35] <mspevack> next -- Docs at FUDCon
[16:35] <mmcgrath> Stuff like that is already on the list.  Just a matter of time to get it up and running.
[16:35] <mspevack> paul -- karsten/paul will be at fudcon.  there isn't really a docs hackfest setup right now, but if karsten has time, he and paul are going to have their own little mini doc-fest
[16:36] <mspevack> including docs infrastructure
[16:36] Action: BobJensen hopes to be there also
[16:37] <mspevack> greg -- add it to the "hackfest" page on the barcamp wiki page
[16:37] Action: mspevack pulls it up
[16:37] <mspevack> http://barcamp.org/FudconBoston2007#HACKFEST
[16:38] <mspevack> next.....
[16:39] <mspevack> looking at working on ways to work with other distros and open source projects, etc
[16:40] <stickster> As well as helping other Fedora subprojects
[16:40] <mspevack> working with QA/testing to produce some documentation for them, so the Docs tools will provide stuff not just for the distro, but for other parts of Fedora
[16:40] <mspevack> Fedora Documentation elections "at some point"
[16:40] <mspevack> on to the fun stuff -- gripes and roadblocks
[16:41] <mspevack> karsten -- translations and documentation cannot be thought of as separate entities
[16:41] <mspevack> leadership in translation all works for Red Hat, and there isn't enough openness to the community
[16:42] <mspevack> the way it is setup doesn't encourage community contributions, and that hasn't changed in years
[16:42] <mspevack> paul -- it's a total mess, basically
[16:44] <mspevack> greg -- what is involved here besides just having a way to edit .po files, see which ones haven't been edited, and assigning ownership of a .po file to someone
[16:58] <quaid> mspevack: are we going to be try to dive into the last agenda item and go over the hour?
[17:01] <stickster> Let's
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[17:10] <mspevack_> final roadblock -- internal red hat contributions to fedora docs
[17:10] <stickster> Bugzilla flag for release notes -- let's find out if this is working for Fedora, and if not, get it fixed
[17:10] <stickster> Who can do that?
[17:11] <mdomsch> lmacken?
[17:11] Action: stickster will contact him and arrange for a quick test to start with
[17:17] Action: stickster is thrilled to see attendee list has reached 73 (fudcon)
